What do hip-hop pedagogy and brunch have to do with breaking down the racial wealth divide? We found out in this episode of Real Money, Real Experts. Co-hosts Rebecca Wiggins and Dr. Mary Bell Carlson speak with Pamela Capalad, CFP®, AFC®, founder of Brunch & Budget, and Dyalekt, Host of the Brunch & Budget Podcast, Workshop MC, and See Change MC. Brunch & Budget is a financial planning program created to give everyone safe, friendly, and affordable places to talk about money and make real financial progress. In this interview, the group discusses why financial coaches and counselors need to understand the systematic challenges faced by clients of color, how these challenges impact their relationship with money, and how we can meet our clients where they are through a lens of equity and inclusion.